scandal, instead say don't lump them together. only things that should be conflated are the kardashians. >> we have to leave it there. see you tomorrow night for a special edition of "the five" from washington, d.c. stick around for "special report" everybody. the big brother bombshell, the man behind it. obama administration damage control, and are they really paying attention to your phone calls e-mails and internet searches? this is "special report." good evening, i'm bret baier. in the scandals, a 29-year-old high school dropout lit the biggest fuse of all. contractor edward snowden is

hiding out after leaking information on how your government is gathering information on billions of phone calls and internet activities. we have fox team coverage. brit hume, and how it fits in for one potential candidate, ed henry with reaction from obama administration, and we begin with chief intelligence correspondent catherine herri e herridge. >> thank you. 29-year-old edward snowden says the reason is legal. >> the storage capability of the systems increases every year. you don't have to have done anything wrong. you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody, even by a wrong call, and then they can use the system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you've ever made. >> in an interview with britain's guardian newspaper,

the former contractor justified the leaks claiming president obama is expanding the surveillance state. >> originally we saw that focus very narrowly tailored, foreign intelligence was gathered overseas, now increasingly it is happening domestically. >> in the 12 minute interview, he spoke in broad terms, never citing an individual case where an american citizen was wrongly targeted or investigated. >> you see things that may be disturbing, but over the course of the normal person's career, you would only see one or two of these instances. when you see everything, you see them on a more frequent basis, and you recognize that some of these things are actually abuses. >> a republican member of the house intelligence committee says the leaks compromise sources and methods. >> now al qaeda affiliates know what methods we have and what's in place. secondly, makes it more difficult to get private companies to cooperate with us and work with us.

>> the leadership of senate and house intelligence committee says snowden is misrepresenting the facts, especially on nsa collection of web content. >> it is not a target on americans, it has to be a non-u.s. person believed to be on foreign soil. >> the program here is legal. it has been passed by department of justice as a legal program. it is carefully audited. >> a former intelligence agent says it could be leekds by a junior justice department lawyer because snowden is apparently implicating himself. the key is get to go snowden before he leaks again and before beijing inter gates him. >> when you're on chinese territory, you don't bargain with the chinese. you give them what they want or accidents happen. they're not real sentimental about that. >> there's an extradition treaty

for hong kong but exceptions for foreign policy defense and other issues. it is untested on national security leaks and was only generally used for financial crimes or drug cases. >> the scandal presents a delicate balancing act for a president elected after campaigning against -- >> when reporters pressed jay carney on the case, including snowden's claims, he was motivated to leak by the president's failure to lead up to transparency. the spokesman defended the record but repeatedly refused to engage. >> there's obviously investigation under way into this matter. and for that reason i am not going to be able to discuss specifically this individual or this investigation. >> in private, top officials say they're furious about leaks because they believe al qaeda and other terrorist groups are getting vital information, which

is why a spokesman for director of national intelligence james clapper noted sunday attorney jenngeneral eric holder launche investigation into possible prosecution. noting any person who has a security clearance knows that he or she has an obligation to protect classified information and abide by the law. with some on the left suggesting snowden is a hero for showing the extent of the surveillance, all eyes now turn to the president and how strongly he will weigh in. >> where is the anger and outrage. you seem to be saying well, it is being investigated. was the president personally angry about this? >> the president spoke to this on friday. i would point you to his comments. >> he did denounce leaks friday, but claimed the surveillance programs now have far more oversite than in the bush years. >> every member of congress has been briefed on this program. with respect to all of these

programs, the relevant intelligence committees are fully briefed on these programs. >> except questions are now being raised by democrats and republicans about whether that's true. >> we were never told we were able to find out the information has been revealed this week, i think it is a fiction, it is a fiction that everybody in congress knows. >> we have our intel committee that's briefed but full congress has not. we requested to be briefed tomorrow. we want to protect our nation from a terrorist attack, but there's a fine line here that we need to have greater accountability and greater transparency. >> white house officials insisted lawmakers had a chance to be briefed and some may not have followed up. >> the chair and ranking member of the intelligence committee made clear every member was advised of this and had the opportunity for briefings. >> white house officials note on e-mail surveillance issue, they offered 22 briefings to congress in 14 months, they can't help it if not every member took them up on that offer for briefing. lawmakers say they were briefed in general but not about the

details and the president expanded surveillance. if there's a political winner in this so far, it may be kentucky republican senator rand paul, at least when it comes to attention he is receiving. chief political correspondent carl camden reports, paul's libertarian views have him front and center on this issue. >> reporter: the obama administration collection of the public's private phone records has outraged and united civil libertarians from the right and far left against big government intrusion. u.s. senator rand paul, kentucky republican, is a tea party favorite and 2016 white house contender. >> what our founding fathers partly fought the revolution over, they didn't want generalized warrants going house to house with soldiers looking for things, or now from computer to computer to phone to phone without specifying who you're targeting. >> reporter: on the liberal left, dennis cosin itch who ran twice for president, and said

they have too much executive power to erode civil rights in the name of national security and counter terrorism. >> we have a right to be left alone from the government, stay out of your bank account, medical records, educational records. once the patriot act was passed, it pierced that shield of protection, which individuals thought they had. and now the government has the ability to collect these massive data banks of information. >> reporter: kucinich voted against that act, rand paul wasn't in congress at the time, but emerged since as a harsh critic, tried to block reauthorization. he urged conservatives to take a libertarian approach to a host of policy challenges, taking it to the grass roots, courts, and campaign trail. >> i am asking all of the internet providers and all of the phone companies ask your customers to join me in a class action lawsuit. if we get 10 million americans saying we don't want our phone records looked at, then maybe somebody will wake up and things will change in washington. >> reporter: paul's libertarian inclinations have drawn a lot of

positive attention and distinguish him from leaders of both parties and some of his potential 2016 rivals. but it is potentially risky. ben franklin warned centuries ago those willing to give up liberty to attain safety deserve neither. he wasn't living in this age of global communication and terrorism and therein lies the dilemma both sides are trying to balance. >> you got that right. let's talk about the big picture with senior political analyst, brit hume. this story has taken on a life of its own. it is the convergence of the right and libertarians and the left. >> it has driven rand paul into the arms of dennis kucinich. who thought that was possible. there's a point on the political spectrum where right and left come together and here we are. what's striking about this story is that it comes at the worst possible time in terms of people reacting to it because of the

irs situation, because of the justice department snooping on journalists. so those things are in the air, and in everybody's consciousness, then comes this. i think it is quite different, frankly, but that's just my view. >> but the trusted government factor. >> exactly. >> is pretty low. >> and it is particularly hard for this administration because, you know, cornerstone of liberalism is that government is effective and government can be this beneficial force, and government could be and should be trusted. and of course when you have this array of things all at once, it really shakes that, and i think it is politically damaging to the administration's agenda for that reason. >> i wonder what struck you about snowden and his history. here is this 29-year-old, first of all, how does he get access to all of this. secondly, how does he get the job? >> i must say, among the things that worried me, i am not worried about the program except for the possibility it may be used illegally. used legally i don't think it is

very dangerous, but i wonder how this guy. i listened to his explanations what drove him to this, what the abuses are, he is very well spoken, seems quite intelligent, but doesn't seem to be in a paradigm of maturity. the fact he did this, makes you wonder how he got security clearance in the first place. that's troubling. >> thanks, brit. we will take you to the huge nsa facility where a lot of metadata is stored. and up next, a brand new obama administration scandal, involving conspiracy, corruption, drugs, prostitutes, and the state department. it's monday, a brand new start. with centurylink visionary cloud infrastructure, and custom communications solutions, your business is more reliable, secure, and agile.

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chief washington correspondent james rosen on what those people may have been doing instead of their jobs. >> reporter: when then secretary of state hillary clinton traveled abroad early in her tenure to countries like russia, some of the diplomatic security or ds agents protecting her engaged services of prostitutes, that's according to an october, 2012 memo from within the state department's office of inspector general or oig. the memo stated clinton's security detail had a, quote, prostitution problem that was, quote, endemic. >> i am not going to speak to specific cases as i said at the onset for obvious reasons, but it is hardly endemic. >> reporter: the october, 2012 memo first obtained by cbs news says the ds probe into the prostitution charges was shut down before all the agents suspected could be dealt with. then came the prostitution scandal involving secret service agents in columbia, an event that aroused alarm in secretary

clinton. when the secretary asked the agent in charge if similar activities happened within the secretary's detail, the response was no. the memo claimed clinton's chief of staff intervened to halt investigation into a u.s. diplomat in iraq, discovered to be funneling sensitive data to his mistress, a reporter. eight cases put on ice because of undue influence from mostly unnamed higher-ups. a draft oig report from december 2012 using language scrubbed from the final document issued in march stated oig team heard of instances where high level department officials may have once or twice a year brought pressure to bear to improperly halt or influence investigations, including into allegations of serious criminal misconduct. >> all cases mentioned in the report were thoroughly investigated or under investigation and the department continues to take actions. i did not mean to imply the inveigations were completed. some are in process.

the department would never condone any undue influence on any report or investigation. >> reporter: the oig memo also contained allegations about a u.s. ambassador still on the job in a european country who was said to have routinely solicited prostitutes and minors for sex. fox news is withholding this diplomat's name because the allegations are as yet unverified. jen saki wouldn't comment, but said the idea they would overlook such behavior is preposterous. >> james, thank you. president obama will try to pump up enthusiasm for the bipartisan immigration reform bill tomorrow. he will host a group of business, labor, law enforcement and faith leaders. the senate resumed discussion of the bill, leaders are pushing for a final vote by fourth of july, while prospects for passage in the senate seemed possible, very possible, republicans in the house are saying there will have to be big

changes for the bill to make it through that chamber. jury selection has gun in the trial of the florida neighborhood watch volunteer that fatally shot an african-american teenager last year. george zimmerman is accused of second degree murder, insists he shot trayvon martin in self defense. the judge denied a defense request today for several more weeks to prepare. still ahead, inside the nsa's dark star. first, could it be that the irs scandal is over and done with? (horn blowing)

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irs scandal, house republicans say not so fast. >> we need to make certain who was involved, who was orchestrating this, and hold those people accountable. certainly don't know that yet. this investigation is on-going. >> reporter: sunday, the oversite committee top democrat suggested the investigation was essentially over. >> based upon everything i have seen, the case is solved. and if it were me, i would wrap this case up and move on to be frank with you. danny wer fell is doing a great job. >> reporter: that drury responsibilities from darrell issa who said about cummings' quote, his extreme, reckless assertions are a sign his no genuine interest in working on a bipartisan basis to expose the full truth. they squabbled over where it started. cummings says there's a cincinnati irs manager's interview suggesting he started the targeting and it wasn't

politically motivated. >> if he doesn't, i will release him by the end of the week. >> reporter: he says it would hurt the investigation. >> put people in a room, separate them, ask questions, they're not supposed to know what the other said so we get the true story. >> reporter: the revolving door seemed to spin. the memo doesn't say what happened to her, whether she's on leave, assigned or in limbo. she sat in on interviews with staffers when the inspector general was conducting his investigation. bret? >> thank you. updating other scandals. the house judiciary committee asked eric holder to testify again next week about justice department snooping on reporters in the leak investigations. and lawmakers are still deciding how they want to interview ambassador thomas pickering and mike mullen who wrote the original report on the

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od. helping the world keep promises. we are more aware tonight than we have been in a while about just how much power the government has over our lives. the massive leak of information about the nsa surveillance of americans really does effect virtually everyone in the country. tonight we accelerate our coverage of this most timely topic in part one of prying eyes. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge continues reporting on a place where all of that data is headed. >> reporter: blockdale, utah, 25 miles south of salt lake city, the nsa has a big new project named the utah data center. nsa will neither confirm nor deny the specifics.

but some estimate the center will be capable of storing five zettabytes for a very long time. all the nsa would tell us is that the utah data center is a facility for the intelligence community that will have a major focus on cyber security. we weren't given access last summer, but could see it from the sky. we are 500 feet over the utah data center, that's as close as you get without a security clearance. >> you can see the cranes at 12:00. >> wow. it is huge. >> it is a turnkey situation, it can be turned quickly, become a totalitarian state pretty quickly. the capacity to do that is being set up. >> that's a chilling assessment

from bill benny that worked at the nsa nearly four decades, starting as a data analyst in the days before desktop computers. after 9/11, the nsa began a warrantless surveillance program approved by president bush. >> it started with the telecoms providing billing data, records of people in the united states calling people in the united states. my estimate was that they were collecting on the order of 3 billion a day. >> 3 billion phone records? >> 3 billion, just spernl inter this country. >> they were spying on americans in this country. >> that's right. >> binney thought it was wrong and led a protest. "the new york times" exposed it in 2005. in 2007, the nsa officially discontinued that program. the same year, suspecting he was the source for "the new york times" leak, they raided bill

binney's home. he denies being the leaker and was not charged with acrimes. >> i continue to believe it was effective, it was lawful and it was appropriate. >> as director of the nsa from 1999 to 2005, general michael hayden was binney's boss. >> i think it made america safe during a period of great danger. >> reporter: apparently congress which in 2008 amended that foreign intelligence surveillance act explicitly legalizing much of the surveillance going on, and president obama who reauthorized that law agreed. to binney, it is more clear than ever that president obama is using that authority even more aggressively than the man democrats accused of shredding the constitution, george w. bush. that's another reason binney continues to be a fierce critic of the utah data center, scheduled to be operational in the fall, saying it would have a nearly limitless capacity to pry into americans' digital lives. >> whatever you did electronically, they could

capture. >> reporter: would the nsa ever do that, even if it could? one man we hoped would answer that question, the current director of the national security agency, general keith alexander, when he declined requests to sit down with us for an interview, we stopped by the offices of a washington think tank where alexander was speaking at a cyber security event. >> will the utah data center hold data of american citizens? >> no. we don't hold data on u.s. citizens, the people there at nsa. they take protecting your civil liberties and privacy as the most important thing they do in securing this nation. and so when people just say they're going to have all this stuff at utah data center, that's baloney. that's ludicrous. i am not coming out to say here's what we're doing at utah, that would be ridiculous, too, it would give our adversaries a tremendous advantage. we're not going to do that. >> reporter: bill binney says

alexander's protestations aren't the point. they will have a stunning capacity to collect, store and analyze anyone's data. >> it is a question if we get the wrong person in office or certain people set up their network internally in government, they could make that happen quickly. life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, balance those three virtues all the time. the question people like me ask the american people, so how much more do you want me to do? >> catherine herridge in part one of that series. fox news learned within the past minutes that general alexander, the director of the national security agency, nsa, will brief the senate intelligence agency in a closed, classified session tomorrow afternoon at 2:30. so is the federal government really turning into big brother? analysis of edward snowden's

leak, a surreal interview, and what we know about the programs. fox all stars join me after a short break. for all those who sleep too hot or too cool,

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but i sitting at my desk certainly had authorities to wire anyone from you or your accountant to a federal judge to even the president if i had a personal e-mail. the storage capability of the systems increases every year consistently by orders of magnitude to where it is getting to the point you don't have to have done anything wrong. you simply have to eventually fall under suspicion from somebody, even by a wrong call, and then they can use this system to go back in time and scrutinize every decision you've ever made. >> well, it was an amazing 12 minute interview. 29-year-old edward snowden talking to the british guardian newspaper, saying what he said about the nsa program. he is a former nsa contractor, believed to be in hong kong, but we don't know. what is next? let's look at some recent polls, do you trust the government will make sure the surveillance program is abiding by the constitution.

yes, 30%, no, 52%. you see the breakdown. the second question, how likely is it that government agencies are listening in on private conversations of american citizens? you see the breakdown there, very likely, 35%, somewhat likely, 33%. officials are saying that's not what this program does but let's bring in the panel. jason riley, editorial board member of "the wall street journal." paul williams, and syndicated columnist, charles krauthammer. it was surreal to watch that interview as snowden laid that out. your thoughts how this developed over the weekend? >> the video was fascinating. he seeme to be describing what the nsa does, as if it was shocking that what they do is intercept electronic communications. that's why they exist. and he expects people to be shocked by this, almost as if he didn't know what he was signing up for when he took that job. but the real question here is that there's no evidence presented that the government has been abusing this

information. >> in other words, he doesn't provide specifics. >> not at all. and that's the problem. we know it's legal in terms of the supreme court saying this information is not protected by the fourth amendment. we know congress iss -- >> the scandal would be a violation of our constitutional rights. that's the battle here, a battle between privacy rights and protecting our country in the aftermath of 9/11. but we as a country, the society, here i say republican and democrat, house and senate in the current political environment, neither of these bodies would vote to undue this program or undermine the patriot act as it exists today because no politician wants to be in the position of saying they took away tools to help defeat terrorism in this age. the poll you cited, i was looking at that polling, interesting to me. there's a similar poll by pugh

and "the washington post" with slightly different wording, it asks about tracking phone records, acceptable, unacceptable. 56% of americans are saying if you're investigating terror, they view it as acceptable. 62% say it is more important that we are tracking foreign terrorists than even intruding on privacy. i think if you put it in those terms, you get greater support. >> charles, democrats and republicans on the intelligence committees in particular say this program is legal, and has oversite, and you have to go through a court to get to listen to something. they have to prove under the rules, the fisa court, to listen in. however, i guess the concern i hear most is that let's say somebody doesn't color within the lines in this program, if this 29-year-old can get these documents, if he's doing what he's doing, doesn't that concern somebody that there could be abuse here? >> look, everything that we have can be abused.

we have a police department where the cops have guns and they can shoot and they can shoot illegally or incompetently or crazily, but you don't abolish the police for that reason. and you have police misconduct. you have to ask yourself in principle is this a program that's constitutional. you look at one half of it, the prison program, where you're reading e-mails, not americans, only outsiders. for instance, it would be insane if you had an e-mail from an al qaeda operative in yemen to an associate in london and the notes of the internet come through the united states, it would be insane not to read the e-mail. as the former attorney general wrote, i think he did it rather well, the constitution is not a treaty with the rest of the world, it is for the protection of the united states. countries spy on each other, we

spy on others, i am glad we do. in principle, can you abuse that, yes. but then you have to talk about the mechanism of protecting against abuse, and that i think is a good debate. but to say in principle it can be abused, we shouldn't have it, makes no sense at all. >> snowden if you believe what he says, nsa is collecting data and keeping it on americans. that goes counter to what general alexander said in catherine's piece, and counter to what clapper said on capitol hill when asked specifically about this. so the concern i guess from libertarians, jason, is that what snowden says, keeping it for x amount of years and if you run afoul of the u.s. government, could they then look back at this data that they've had on you. >> it doesn't particularly concern me i think. this is what we want, the type of i think powers we want a 21st

century president to have, the commander in chief, to keep us safe. there are going to be competing interests, civil libertarians, national security. we need to weigh those. we also need to make sure they're updated to modern times. and again, until -- unless and until we see abuse of this information, i'm not particularly concerned. >> jason, how would we even know. we didn't know about the program until this guy leaked it. >> how would we know? >> abuse, yeah. >> i guess a whistleblower would come forward and that would be a true whistleblower who pointed out such abuses. this is a hypothetical. i see this is a dangerous man that i hope will be prosecuted, found and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. >> last word quickly. >> you have judges on the foreign surveillance, the fisa courts, their job is to, look, fbi has to present to the fisa court to say these are foreign nationals, not people in the united states, or these are people as charles described

sending messages through the u.s. i think there are safeguards, but abuse is the issue. if you don't trust government, we live in an era of low trust in government, that's why i think people -- but when people look at it in terms of terror, they come to this conclusion you have to aggressively fight terror. >> the fisa only turned down 11 out of 34,000 requests. >> congress has been regularly briefed on those. >> go ahead. >> the program has been around about a decade and we do not have a single case of anybody saying my e-mail was abused. do you think after a decade if there were abuse you wouldn't have had a lawsuit, somebody who would go to the press? until you show me a single case, of course there's potential for abuse, but show me abuse and i'll get very worried about it. in the irs case, there were complaints for years, wasn't as if it was denying the abuse, it

was happening, lawyers, lawsuits, complaints, you would have heard that in this case and you hadn't, so it tells you something about the potential and actuality. >> snowden and reporters following him say there's more to come. we will see. next up, the politics of all of this together coming up next. years ago, my doctor told me to take a centrum silver multivitamin every day. i told him, sure. can't hurt, right? and now today, i see this in the news. once again, centrum silver was chosen by researchers for another landmark study. this time looking at eye health. my doctor! he knows his stuff. [ male announcer ] centrum. the most studied. the most recommended. and the most preferred multivitamin brand. the choice is clear. and the most preferred multivitamin brand. still doesn't feel real.

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>> some have said i think somewhat cavalierly that in these difficult times we have to accept some reduction in our civil liberties in order to be secure. if we lived in a country that allowed the government to open your mail, eavesdrop on your phone conversations, or intercept your email communications that country would not be

america. preserving our freedom is one of the main reasons that he we are now engaged in this new war on terrorism. we will lose that war without firing a shot if we sacrifice the liberties of the american people. >> bret: former wisconsin senator, a democrat russ feingold back in october of 2001. he was the only senator to vote against the patriot act. president obama then state senator obama in 2001 had this to say i'm always more concerned about the encroachment on civil rights or civillicious that apply selectively to people when they apply to everybody there tends to be a check. when we those laws start encroaching on people's privacy, the average person, everybody starts griping and complaining. back with the panel. okay, charles. this is the rand paul kind of argument and he made it this weekend on "fox news sunday." what about the politics of

this? >> well, i think there is a lot of outrage and i think part of the reason is a lot of americans would say it sounds if it's controlled, looking after it and congress it would be okay. there has been a huge lack of trust on the government as a result of this happening precisely right after a couple of scandals that administration you cannot trust. the irs, people resent the irs and they know its power but they accept it on the assumption that it will deal even handily. then you get an irs scandal that it is clear they went after people as a product of their political beliefs, a sacred notion in the united states that's a huge abuse. you get the pursuit of james rosen, a fox reporter who is singled out and the justice department lies essentially to a judge and pretending he might be a criminal coconspirator as a way to get into his email

and you wonder if doj and irs are being abused as a political instrument how could you not abuse the nsa? so i think it's a function of where we are now. if this had happened in the days after the inauguration of obama in 2009, it would have been a lot less of a story because people had trust in the obama administration, government in and the government in general. and that's what i think is lacking. and it's poisoning the whole debate right now. >> juan, it's a convergence of democrats on the left. libertarians on the right or if you want to call it that. would there have been more senators voting with russ feingold against the patriot act today? >> no. and i think this is what i was saying to you earlier, margins, thinking about your question, bret, maybe you would get one or two, certainly rand paul would join him, right? but, in fact, you would not get a majority to do away

with the program today i don't think there is anybody on the hill today and i was there who is saying you know what in let's get rid of the program and have a vote. they know the passion is not there you have dianne feinstein democrat head of senate intelligence joined arm in arm with mike rogers head of house intelligence in saying they were briefed on, this they knew about it. they have tried to brief others on it it they are aware of the fisa court, you know, to come to jason's point about congressional oversight. it's fully in place. i think what you come down to is, you have the politics playing out where you have people on the right who are after the obama administration and see this as something you can lump into a series of scandals and evidence of government overreach and intrusion in our lives again to make a case against president obama. but on its own merits i don't see it. >> bret: just a few minutes ago senator feinstein said that some of the things that snowden said in that interview didn't seem to

match up, seemed farfetched. and she said as far as the law, if it can be changed in some way, we're all for making it better. quickly? >> you can make fun of obama for being hypocritical on, this comparing his earlier statement to his criticism of bush for using the same program. but once you get that sort of thing out of your system, it comes back down to is it legal and is it working? i think right now, based on what we know its pas both of those thresholds. >> bret: didn't get the tsarnaev brothers in boston. >> correct. >> bret: that's it for the panel. stay tuned for a newscast that was a bit out of focus. her long day of pick ups and drop offs begins with arthritis pain... and a choice. take up to 6 tylenol in a day or just 2 aleve for all day relief.

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>> bret: finally tonight, it takes a big crew of people to make a newscast run smoothly outside the anchor and reporters there are producers and technical directors, video editors. we also have camera operators here at fox news channel. one of our competitors had an interesting moment recently with either a sleepy camera operator or a haywire remote camera. >> governor. >> chris: city made the announcement moments ago we brought it to you live his web cast. the governor said he would appoint an interim senator but not to expect -- hello. [ laughter ] there we go, okay. >> bret: all right. thanks for inviting us into your home tonight. that is it for this "special report," fair, balanced and unafraid. now, we have a special

edition of "special report" online. it's coming up. that's right, it's monday, it's not wednesday. it's coming up right now. >> this is "the fox report." tonight, the man accused of exposing the top secret government phone and email spying program now on the run from some of the most powerful governments in all the world what else did he know? what else will he reveal? >> i sitting at my desk had the authority to wiretap anyone, even the president. >> shepard: edward snowden tells the guardian newspaper the feds owe the american people an explanation. >> some of these things are actually abuses. >> shepard: he says he is hiding overseas and looking for asylum. but one congressman calls him a defector who should pay the price for putting americans in danger. >> al qaeda and its affiliates now know exactly